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  1. [GM]Lupinsan

    [GM]Lupinsan RedFox Games Staff Member

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  2. AvIvA

    AvIvA New Member

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    What do you mean by PB Resetting and PT in Safe Zones?
    People always reset PB before to kill it and it's normal, because if someone else did a lot of damage to this PB and leave it then if later someone will kill this PB that guy(who did damage before) can just loot drop from this PB. That's why people reset PB before farm. If i understand you right. And im not agree with this rule.

    About PT in Safe Zones i not agree as well, what about skills/buffs lvling in towns? also not allowed anymore?
    And how can u do PT in safe zone? i dont understand it.
     
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  3. AvidEx

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    I want to suggest no buying/selling on race chat which is done by some councils across the three races. Since Race chat should be used for promoting the race which is power-leveling,CW commands and PVP. Not for self-interest.

    @PB Resetting:

    It's standard procedure for people to reset the boss before trying to DPS unless they stayed there when it respawns mainly because if someone DPSed the boss and left then the people who finished the job wouldn't be able to loot the items it dropped. And it also promotes competition for people in the race since most people that have free time would just camp out on boss areas since its bannable to reset the boss.
     
  4. NINJAFoxHound

    NINJAFoxHound Well-Known Member

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    I (personally) disagree about this rule. Safe town buffing/debuffing is common practice since dawn of times. It may be "frustrating" for some players (who are jealous because they cannot log 2 computers), but with the current server population, along with radars, it's impossible to find a spot out of safe zone without having people coming to PK you or your alt (even if it's your own race), let alone walk all the way all over again. This is really annoying and that's the reason why anacaade and haram are filled with this many lvl1 acc debuffers (see attached file).
    Some people cannot play as much as others too, and catch up by leveling their characters afk and/or selling buffs they leveled while afk.

    I do understand to some degree about this point, but nonetheless I think it is not so serious that it needs to be sanctionned (though the punishment is the lightest out of all the rules).
    No publisher has done that so far, why would you want to do it now?

    Also, I have a little question : when will those rules be officially applied ? After having discussed them ? Or whenever you will post the Magna Carta ?
     

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  5. [GM]Lupinsan

    [GM]Lupinsan RedFox Games Staff Member

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    Thanks for the feedback so far. These rules are a reflection of tickets sent by other players that we felt needed addressing. As clarification, the PB resetting bug is when players continually reset the PB so no one gets hit.
     
  6. kablewy66

    kablewy66 Active Member

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    5. PT in Safe Zones with other races: PTing inside a settlement or safe zone with another race is not allowed. Players are permitted to do this outside of safe zones. Offending members will be sent back to their HQ or killed.

    Worst freakin' idea literally ever. If this gets implemented you will literally piss every mage based class off on both bell and cora to an extreme level. Don't do it.

    Edit: I don't think the GMs fully understand how insanely long it takes(comparatively) for each individual force buff to get to GM. ESPECIALLY if you expect them to do it without some kind of assist.
     
  7. Dan

    Dan Active Member

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    I disagree with the safe zone PT rule as well. As Foxy said above, this has always been done on official RF servers. Sure we could look for other places in the neutral zones but with Valkyrie's high population one will always be killed outside of safe zones.

    Whoever sent in tickets about players levelling their buffs by safe zone debuffing is either new to the game or a private server chicken.
     
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    And sometimes even inside safe zones with the occasional troll train with mobs with aoes.
     
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  9. Angell

    Angell New Member

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    Totally disagree with the PT rule. All races are doing this to have their skills get GM and everyone have done this even before. Please review your rules again before implementing it. -__-
     
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  10. b00kw0rm

    b00kw0rm Active Member

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    GM, please review your supposed new rules about PTing in safe zones. This has always been allowed in ALL official and private servers. Maybe some of you can try being a mage and level your buffs without a debuffer from safe zone. As far as I know, the only thing not allowed is attacking from settlement (I have a video of an acc in Valkyrie server who was able to attack a Bell from safe zone but tower not attacking him), and healing another person while healer is in safe zone.
     
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  11. Gerathadalas

    Gerathadalas New Member

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    Many of the rules, (since Games Campus) contradicts a lot of old rules that were implemented in the original RF servers, GM's never interfered with the use of chaos pots, all of the official servers prior to GC/redfox allowed the race archon and council to deal with such issues, since archons have the ability to place characters to a wanted state. GT at spawn areas, not even in the korean servers was it a ban offense. PB resetting was also allowed in all official server except this one PB resetting allowed the team that remains in the pit boss area to loot the pb, unless the gms want to promote dps the pb then stop and allow some poor group of people to kill it, then loot it for himself while the people who actually killed the boss and did all the hard work gets nothing. The true reason why most people file tickets for such things is to get their way, you should look into this situations more of in the game context. compared to the official servers our server has the least excitement in it. lets face it chip wars are boring, it hard to level up and farm as any official server, but what makes matters worse is that equips are so hard to get, no one uses the old bd's anymore cause it worthless there are no armor weapons prizes any more, to do the Dark hole bd's you need a good team and good equipment, but even with that no one does it anymore. Rules should improve on the past not make it worse. to the GM's have you ever played in the old official servers, if you have do you think the server now feels the same as those servers, korean, brazilian, north american, japanese or the philippine servers. do a poll see how the players answer, which server rules do you prefer the old or the new?
     
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  12. tchami

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    You forgot forcelogging, this **** is being abused like crazy
     
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  13. Gerathadalas

    Gerathadalas New Member

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    i have read the new rules being implemented if you use this as a reason (This is an exploit of monster mechanics and is not allowed.) for making a certain action illegal THEN IT SHOULD APPLY TO ALL. So lets begin, RF online mobs have different aggression rates, now if your say that "This is an exploit of monster mechanics and is not allowed." then when players run away from mobs and it resets to it original point, then that player can be banned since he/she exploited "This is an exploit of monster mechanics", Another one is when mobs get stuck at Map objects during a shoot and run for a low level ranger class player (not the terrain bug) then again (This is an exploit of monster mechanics and is not allowed." that player can be banned. SO basically what Redfox GM's want is that when a mob/pb goes aggressive, we stand there get hit, die lose exp buy 100 percent pill to boost Cash item sales? because if you use the term "This is an exploit of monster mechanics and is not allowed." simply running away from a mob is a ban offense! When you use something as a base for a rule, it should apply to all. you cannot exempt a individual act then say it as illegal when another act is deem legal when both are doing the same thing which is |This is an exploit of monster mechanics and is not allowed." and if that is case then you should ban the entire gaming population since everyone of these players have abused the "This is an exploit of monster mechanics and is not allowed." everyday.
     
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  14. Gerathadalas

    Gerathadalas New Member

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    Another one,
    Map Glitching: Map Glitching is a bannable offense, depending on the severity of the map glitch. If a player is able to EXP and gain a level advantage from using terrain glitches, they may be banned and deleveled.

    Everyone knows there are terrain bug, but there are certain areas or points that the game physics make it looks that the person is terrain glitching, example, in ether there are hills small hills these act as obstacles to both mob and player now since the mobs then to follow the player and kill it rule. the players tend to run and move up and down these hills, as such the mobs loose line of sight and will re orient ones it see the player again, now if you use the term "Map Glitching: Map Glitching is a bannable" in every sense of the word that player just did that map glitch. And is now subject for a punishment which the game actually allows. Again my point being clarification and actual description of what on offense is key here. using broad terms such as |Map Glitching" will not help.

    The older official server described it properly " terrain bug, where in players get the advantage of not being able to be targeted/to be reached by mobs or other players preventing receiving damage or death but still allows access to damage or kill mobs or other players"
     
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  15. Gerathadalas

    Gerathadalas New Member

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    "PT in Safe Zones with other races: PTing inside a settlement or safe zone with another race is not allowed. Players are permitted to do this outside of safe zones. Offending members will be sent back to their HQ or killed."

    the best way to prevent it is to close the portal but wait even in the korean servers they did not do so, what they did was place powerful other race specific mobs to guard the portals allowing only high level character from crossing one settlement to another. The reason behind it was to prevent people from using level 1 characters to de-buff to gain GM buff's. what intern did was force players to level up another character to a certain level, where in they can kill the mob guards at the portal then de buff their other character. if you notice CCR did not even consider it a ban offense or to take direct action, unlike what were going to experience on this server. this is the only official server where in gm's will actually kill players outside that of an event.
     
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    Force logging should be one of your rules. It's ridiculous when you're about to finish someone off and they close the RF.exe process in windows so they *poof*
     
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  17. GugaMaurer

    GugaMaurer New Member

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    Hello GM , very careful with the rules of Chaos Potion.
    RF Online is a political game, so we have the Chaos Potion. It is extremely important. I believe that in these cases of Chaos Potion GM should not interfere .
    Players and guilds should solve their problems


    We must leave the game with more freedom for players ...
     
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  18. Demented

    Demented Well-Known Member

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    Chaos Potions and making rules about not using them is a big problem. They're in the game for a reason, BUT with that being said they should not be used to grief low levels who are simply trying to exp. They should be used to fight guild wars, fight over pit bosses, fight over farm spots, etc. NEVER used to pk lowbies and grief kill ppl over and over for no reason
     
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  19. iamjdag

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    you could put this under a GM having the discretion to decide "griefing" has happened. this picks up vague scenarios where people are chaosed, not just once, but permanently over and over for weeks on end or something. all mobs KS'd even from farm or XP etc.
     
  20. Gerathadalas

    Gerathadalas New Member

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    for those who kill low levels using chaos potion that is the reason for the wanted status if a player is deemed abusive to the race the archon has the ability to let every member of the race kill that individual without the use of chaos potion, wanted status was never designed for the reason of PT. RF online is a political game, that's why it has a voting system for the race leaders. chaos was designed to allow players of the same race kill each other. what the use of chaos potion if you can't kill. for feuds and such that the gm was saying that is why we have guild wars to settle those difference. in essence guild war was designed to both train people to do PVP and to clear out differences between guilds or sets of players. a game such as RF should be played by those who actually play it. and not be controlled by the GM's. if you want to cancel out the effect of chaos potion, simple solution with out the rule "REMOVE IT FROM THE GAME" if you can't then deal with the consequences of having the CHOAS potion in game. or use the same solution in the other official servers make the potion expensive to use, like a thousand gold credits. or more.
     
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