Lag Abuse in Tournaments

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by RingzJr, Jan 3, 2022.

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Should we be more strict about lag abuse in tournaments?

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  1. RingzJr

    RingzJr Artist of Winter

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    I don't think lag abusers should be allowed to win tournaments. Tournaments are only fair when they are won with minimal assistance from lag. To abuse lag means to frequently harass the opponent while lagging, to overwhelm and confuse the opponent with lag. By "frequent" I mean 10+ lag harassment interactions within 10 minutes. Here's an example of what I would consider lag abuse, in which lag is used aggressively to cheese out some victories from an unsuspecting tournament. It's 10+ lag harassments within a 10 minute best of 5 set:

    1. One, you see a long distance teleport to hit behind my partner, giving the lagger safe damage and knockdown: https://imgur.com/a/OZHaSeK

    2. Two is this insta-pop counter behind me, which avoids my kick while getting free damage and knockdown: https://imgur.com/a/8zIdX8H

    3. Three shows a slide kick followed by a backwards teleport, which can lure in unsuspecting players and then kick them from behind for free: https://imgur.com/a/Fn4Pdxb

    4. Four, you can see my partner get hawked down by lightning fast chasing due to lag, which leads to free damage and knockdown: https://imgur.com/a/Cxgjbme

    5. Five shows the player ignore my kick damage and stun, followed by his teleport slide-kick to hit my partner's back behind his guard for free damage: https://imgur.com/a/UZhp3oP

    6. Six shows the opponent ignoring my recovery kick, which avoids damage and knockdown: https://imgur.com/a/doUCZHL

    7. Seven shows super unpredictable movement which is difficult to track and oppressive, causing confusion and hesitation: https://imgur.com/a/eY6JoGG

    8. Eight shows the opponent closing the gap with a quick teleport into a grab attempt, which benefits from the element of surprise: https://imgur.com/a/dos7tAe

    9. Nine shows the opponent ignoring my partner's kicks, avoiding punishment and knockdown: https://imgur.com/a/slr5o4u

    10. Ten shows disruptive short ranged teleporting, which keeps us disorganized and guessing: https://imgur.com/a/tKpeoZs

    Ten lag harassment interactions within ten minutes, so much so that the game is nearly unplayable, which is why I call it lag abuse. Tournament prizes shouldn't be given to those who abuse lag, because tournament prizes are supposed to reflect your skill, determination, and preparation. If lag abusers win a tournament, it's largely because they were assisted by lag abuse, which is unfair. We can't practice against lag abuse in training mode. I don't think you should have to practice against lag abuse anyway, because lag abuse is external assistance, which is grounds for disqualification to begin with.

    I understand that some people have no choice but to lag, because they play from overseas, or just have bad internet. Even so, I think lag abuse means to harass the opponent while lagging. So to be fair, a lagger would either have to forfeit, or stop attacking during a lag spike, and wait until everyone is settled and in neutral, before resuming the fight.
     
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  2. Kuriboh

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    I agree with some part of what your saying. I definetly agree more should be done to combat lag in tournaments however in order to keep the match fair and the game flowing I think laggers should be DQ'd after 1 match warning. Before contestants start their match they run a practice game with Starberry to test lag. Then immediently after participants are lagging in their matches. Problem with frequently pausing the game is unfair timeouts and unrealistic flow... Saying and actually following through with cracking down on laggers in the tournament promotes fair gameplay. Just think about it, when have you ever seen anyone actually get disqualified for lagging in any tournament..? Fairplay just might be playing the game wrong man, its been 16 years.
     
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  3. HumoLoco

    HumoLoco Clean Up Crew

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    RedFox dont give a fuck.

    Ive done it before and got ban.
     
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  4. MoodlightValley

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    In your case , its not lag abuse. They’re koreans, lag goes both ways . Game is p2p the lag u go through fighting them , they see the same and its not like they purposely lagging by forcing or anything. Nothing they can do about it. Also no disrespect but im pretty sure it would of been worse with no lag
     
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  5. RingzJr

    RingzJr Artist of Winter

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    Even if the lag goes both ways, it can still be called "abuse" if it's against tournament policy to attack while there is a lag spike. I didn't say they were forcing the lag, I said they were abusing the lag. However, abuse may be the wrong word, because this tournament didn't have strict rules against bringing extreme lag to a fight or attacking during lag spikes.

    Maybe, but you can't reliably judge based on a lag fight. A team is good at what they practice. Much of the drifting, team setups, and 1v1 we practiced went out the window in the face of extreme lag. The unpredictable lightning-like movements of lag, the random God modes, all of that causes hesitation and breaks momentum since we don't practice lag fighting on the daily. I think they were skilled, but you can't reliably judge based on a lag fight
     
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  6. Swervo

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    The koreans are simply more skilled that's all it is 2 it in most of the cases with the majority of you.

    To the players who are on the same skill level as them it comes down who's better at fighting lag .
     
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  7. HumoLoco

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    100% fact used to be in my old guild war we had to learn how to fight with lag to boost some lp.
     

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