9dragons

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  1. Kukuku3

    Kukuku3 New Member

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    ?i played this game for a while, i myself a veteran. lets not make much story, i ve followed the forum everydays, read from newest to previous older forum, suggesttion and stuff. Eroine guy statement and suggestion for this game are so good, reading your post and thread has really opened my mind, Hat-off to you. i dont have much to say, i one person here just want to say that i have really become dissapointed with this publisher, on what aspect? on every aspect, on every possible way. simply say they dont care for community, even the community care more on each other and supporting each other. i dont even feel like this game run by a publisher anymore , rather it run by these community, all these good player make this game playable. Black market issue?? sure its illegal and violate the rules, but well is that mean i have to spend my money on RNG based item on RF? is there anything on RF that is not RNG, nothing with gambling. for p2w on this game , i had kinfe on both side, i go to black market? i got banned, i go to RF market? my money gone on RNG, could be 100$ for 1UT or could be 1000$ on 1UT, who knows? .

    There is an NPC in hefei. the guy who sell mask if y'all know, and there is this one thing he is selling that i find rather ridicoulous, a lucky pocket of 100k but the price to pay is 110k,, and when i found that NPC sell that, i just cant get my head around it. i was like "why??" i feel offended as a player and when i found n NPC in game selling stuff like that,, u take player for a fool.
     
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    superdildog Active Member

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    Hefei npc tax.
     
  3. Sirme

    Sirme Well-Known Member

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    I don't really see community caring more about game..

    there is alot of constructive criticism that was ignored.. because Redfox did not agree... and
    alot of the people became vitrol/toxic...

    and welcome to 9 dragon/ RNG loot..

    everyone uses same system?.. whats your complain..

    game has always been and will always be rng loot...

    lucky people win.. unlucky loose..

    atleast they added a backdrop every 100 boxes..
     
  4. teokisss4

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    If you don't buy it, please tell me a lot. I spent thousands of dollars to get it.....
    Sell UT=80B\1..
     
  5. teokisss4

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    If you give UT for free, people who have spent thousands of dollars like me will be very angry

    We who have spent tens of thousands of dollars to be strong as gods, who rule with absolute power.
    So if the players were free to be like us, people like us would quit the game
    that would be a lot of loss to the game that would potentially lead to the game crashing. when free multiplayer
    ....................... Free is fine but should be limited..........
     
  6. Eroine

    Eroine Well-Known Member

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    I don't see any future for the loot boxes in game industry and RF will be forced to remove them and there are some new trend on this issue. I am one of the persons that in real life like to read a lot and be updated with each aspects of my work and passions. Lately in the industry there are eye caching moves that will lead to legislate the loot boxes, especially when we talk about minors. Now according to many studies loot boxes causes gambling addiction, an addiction that in many cases had to be treated.

    If you have time you can read this study :
    The Future of Loot Boxes in US

    Now, starting last year, US, EU and UK took important steps to legiferate this after lots of backfire from players :
    US :
    Game studios would be banned from selling loot boxes to minors under new bill
    X developer sued over loot boxes
    EU (this will be legiferate as a block)
    Back downs over loot boxes in Belgium
    UK:
    Loot boxes: Lords call for 'immediate' gambling regulation

    For the industry, as a study shows, the problem is that their income is half if they remove the loot boxes. Same problem will be with 9dragons loot boxes. The sales probably will drop half after this gets regulated by law.

    Problem gamblers spend less money when loot boxes are removed from a game.

    Also, since 2007 a well know mobile phone maker asked games with loot boxes to disclosure the ods :
    TRANSPARENCY on rates
    Still they have problems with gambling aspects from players : HERE

    We will have a major change soon on this aspect also in 9Dragons because of the new legislation.

    As for the black market : I am a girl (not guy) that was born in EU, educated and work in EU but I have a worldwide exposure. All my life I pay the taxes, my income is taxed, my house, cars and goods are taxed and I pay each year. Not paying the tax for an income is call fraud and is punished by law sever. RF is paying the taxes to US authority because is under CA headquarter, those guys don't pay a dime and are RF competition, making money out of game as personal profit not paying anything to anyone. Not to mention the means they use to make a profit in game and in BM, but they are certainly not orthodox. It is not fair play.

    And why I am against these guys monopoly over maps/ resource? Because they influence the prices of the economy/market and destroy it. Players leave the game because of this. If you read the facebook comments on many posts on 9d official page you will understand also what I am saying, more I will make a parallel with real life monopoly that is regulated.

    In reality, a profit monopolist can’t just charge any price it wants, because the others will not buy it if the price is too high. A practical e.g. was the new seastorm weapon +18. The BM made the new seastorm weapon in 3 days after the new content was up and try to sell it on BM. However it is so expensive that nobody will buy it and after some time was took off the group.

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    But, all is in RF hands and they should act till it is not too late. Sure, us as community can give suggestion and put up a fight and debate it, but our power to do actually the things that counts for players ends at RF border. They have the power to change it for players.
     
  7. Cytrix

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    Trust me bro, it can be way more than 1000$ for an UT :)
     
  8. Sirme

    Sirme Well-Known Member

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    before i locked 2 out of 3 boxes... it cost me 2000k... to get 1 UT.. and to luck cost like 2.4k at first... while others did it 1 try.. so yeah you are right.
     
  9. Eroine

    Eroine Well-Known Member

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    To move on with the discussion of prices and how much a UT costs versus benefits, in the long run this approach to selling and linking the game content to a gamble item has only negative benefits on the game.

    Now we see the effects. It is very clear to everyone that many have abandoned the game for this reason or simply stopped waiting for something else. This has removed legitimate players and left some to profit enormously from the monopoly created and the resource gap in the market. The truth is that we are in a resource gap in the game market and the economy is stagnant. In an active game, the economy thrives when there are resources. Unfortunately, the economy is now stagnant. If we make a parallel with real life in the economy we are in the recession phase.

    The weapon is the power core of the damage. We also have the relics power core and others increases. After they introduce in UTs and link it to gamble the decline in economy became evident. Only few people could access the power core of damage and grind the resource.

    Over time, the resources that help you evolve have become less and less and the prices very high. Then the balance of the economy simply broke down, and the bad boys took over the economy of the game. Look at BM, they sell only top items : the UTs relics, top gear, epi Icy and LL, KL deco and bags, the new weapon. In 3 days they made the new seastorm weapon ... imagine how many resource they monopolized from others, players and how much they sold to afford in that short period of time and what network have in game. While, me and you as a legit players will need a lot of time to do it. 80 % of players don't have the Flying White Dragon Weapon. Seastorm White Dragon... ?

    Never in 9dragons since 2006 the weapon as core of damage was linked to real money, not to mention to a gambling method or took you years to get it. The refinement of the weapon was another story, you really had to invest not to break it, but at the same time with patience and time you could do it + maximum from the game.

    When we started with RedFox, the economy was flowing and we had expansion and many peaks because we had many players and many resource flowing and a lot of character power. Now we are in recession phase and depression : few players, few resource and few power to grind it.

    Everything related to your character power and it has simply become inabordabile and tied to real money. Let's say you invest real money, but how much? A free to play game cannot end up costing more than a paid one.

    Also, the sales psychology does not work on gambling in real life. Maybe for a while you're caught with winning the grand prize, but in reality only lotteries and casinos work that way. People buy the product after seeing it and depending on the features. It's visual and not a lottery. Let's say you go buy vegetables and fruits at the market. You can choose them as visual not to be rotten. Now to make the parallel, you go shopping and have an devices in which the good ones are mixed with the bad ones. Put the money in and at random you get the vegetables. You can end up with all rotten and spend $100. Next time you don't go there for sure and will give bad reviews or ask to be replaced because you have that right as consumer. For sure is not working like that.

    And in real life gambling is about the big prize. You are not conditioned in life by winning the lottery. It is not like those boxes gives you the 1 bil cc price to worth spending 1,000 $ or one UT will make you the most powerful character in 9d.

    RedFox needs to balance the sales and stop link it to the power core of the character in such a big %.

    Before, in MMO market 9d market was unique and sales were very high. As in real life, when you have a new product, you have big sales, because there is no one who has the product. Over time, other competitors appear and then you will have to come up with other ways to sell. Then, the sale becomes personal, meaning you have to create a link with the buyers. RedFox needs to develop this link with us, the community through various methods and communication. The sale is personal now, but buyers feel that what they offer is not in line with their expectations.
     
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  10. teokisss4

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    They have set a very low drop rate and have no way to collect UT
     
  11. GameFreak

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    It will be nice to see RF opinion on this post.
     
  12. Eroine

    Eroine Well-Known Member

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    Because many players ask me to make a practical demonstration and link the craft/production chains with ULTIMATE TABLET with our character POWER CORE, let's see how this will go. I will use also the future chains from korean server.

    UT (Ultimate Tablet)
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    How to get it : GAMBLE from marketplace boxes (real money) and Infinite Dungeon points (game/years).
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    Our character power core (damage) power by UT

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    II. WEAPON (craft chain : FLYING WHITE DRAGON - SEASTORM - FUTURE BLUE JADE )
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    Eroine Well-Known Member

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    III. SIDE RELICS/ TRINKETS
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    IV. DECOS (The new craft lines)
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    V.CLOTHES (The new craft line)

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